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“The Astrological Temperaments May Have Been Forgotten, But not Lost – Thank You!”

It seems to me, no matter how long one has been studying a subject, the journey never seems to end, and new paths appear on the horizon, when one least expects it. There are times it seems we return to the course one was on before, and realized we did not truly explore or investigate it thoroughly enough. This was what happened to me, not too long ago, when I began wondering why people with similar charts reacted to things and events so differently. As I was pondering this, I was remembering my encounters with the temperaments in the natal chart, which is an innate component of our being unlike character and personality which is learnt and developed, and why one needed to learn and master it. It had totally slipped my mind, because even though my first teacher emphasized the importance of mastering this technique, she did not go into details of the importance it may have in our delineations. As I continued my studies, temperaments got left on the shelf collecting dust, as other things caught my attention and seem more important at the time.

I regret not paying more attention and mastering it, but as I have always believed, it is better late then never. The first thing I remember about the subject was trying to memorize what planet and signs were hot, dry, cold and wet, and their relationship to one another. In time these qualities were adapted and assigned to the following four temperaments. Sanguine is described as honest, liberal, cheerful, thoughtful, methodical, accommodating, etc. Melancholy as reserved, ponderous, studious, cynical, untrusting, etc. Cholerique is optimistic, aggressive, action, opportunist, etc. Phlegmatic is pensive, reticent, withdrawn, acquiescent, mutable, etc. How does one use this? It is in synthesizing the elements in the chart and seeing which of the temperaments, or if it is a combination of the temperaments that is the major factor in helping the individual to fulfill the promise of the chart. This technique is similar in judging how much of the charts are in air, earth, water and fire sign to quickly to determine if the individual is more into thinking, into having, into feeling or into getting things done.

By determining the temperament, we can rapidly come to an accurate decision on how the individual will approach each situation before our thorough delineation is begun. This method will indicate whether the individual will take the initiative, is laid back, is the analyst or is more reserved and contemplative. I have come across several teachers such as John Frawley who feel that one cannot have an accurate and insightful delineation without first establishing the temperament of the chart. To be convinced of this, one only needs to do what I just recently did myself, is to go to the internet and to look up the article “The Well-tempered Astrologer – Using an Ancient System in Modern Astrology” by Dorian Gieseler Greenbaum. Don’t just read it, but study it and you wonder why you have not incorporated this system in your delineation sooner. One thing I have learnt is that any technique that is going give me the edge on better understanding the chart and a more correct prediction of what the future will hold, I will use it as my own. Temperament will give us a clue to the hidden agenda of the person that just seeing, analyzing, and comparing the ascendant, the Sun and the Moon, may not as quickly reveal. I am happy to conclude and to announce to all who will listen that I may have forgotten the astrological temperaments, but they have not been lost to me – thank you.

“To Move Or Not To Move Is The Horary Question Charted At The Precise Moment?”

I have been studying the art of horary for a while, but have always felt inadequate in the delineation or explanation of the chart in question.  I noticed that I would possibly come up with the right conclusion, but the steps I took to come to the final answer were vague and unprofessional in my opinion, which depended more on my intuition then facts.  This has made me hesitant in commenting to my egroups on any horary query in discussion, but as I continued my studies on traditional astrology, John Frawley and Morin, I realized by not having the basic aphorisms and dignities committed to memory, where the information can be readily brought to consciousness when needed, was my big mistake which gave me my insecurities.  The history of astrology has implied that astrologers first practiced the art of horary before the art of natal delineation, as it was difficult to determine the correct birth time of most common folks of the period.  In Horary a question is asked of the astrologer, and the birth time of the question gives birth to the answer.  The astrological time is determined when the astrologer understands the question given to him.  Today the answers appear to be more black and white, as in a yes or no, or to the location of a lost item, or which team is going to win?  In the time of William Lilly and Morin, the astrologers gave a more detail account of the situations and circumstances of the question at hand. 

In our complex world today I can understand why we want to go directly to the chase and outcome, rather then why the situation came up in the first place.  As an astrologer with the curiosity of the not so straight and narrow path of getting right to the answer, and realizing some answers are not as straight forward as they appear on the surface, I wanted to understand why the question needed to be asked in the first place.  In the last few years with the recession hitting the global community, the fears and frustrations have been hard and difficult to shrug off and to be replaced with more positive thoughts.  Even those who have not been hit with financial woes are not immune from the anxieties affecting others in our communities.  In this atmosphere I asked this question “Would it be wise to move toPortland,Oregon?”  The chart was drawn with the ascendant being in Libra, Venus in Gemini is the lord of the first house which represents me and is conjunct the south node and is about to come into a square with Saturn in Libra in the twelfth house, the lord of the fourth house, representing my home and the move.  I knew the answer was a little more complex then just a no, but I was not sure for what reasons.  This is when I decided to post the question to one of my horary groups, and I was told the answer was negative and that the situation had more to do with me, then the move.  I actually was overjoyed as I thought he was right on the spot, and I began to try to decipher how he came to this conclusion to help me better  understand why I asked the question. 

As I looked at Venus coming into the square with Saturn, I saw that I was represented by Venus which was in poor shape and condition in the ninth house of ideas, thoughts and movements.  As compared to Saturn who was happy in Libra and had its joy in the twelfth house was in a better situation, even though it was in a malefic house.  I began to realize that I was overwhelmed by all the negative thoughts surrounding the financial condition of the state and the city, and their struggles to get out of their situation, and was taking on their anxieties and fears as my own.  I asked myself, was I unhappy where I was living, or was it the apartment and not the location a problem?  I realized that the global situation represented by Saturn in the twelfth was influencing me in a way by emphasizing the negative and destructive thinking pattern.  Coming to terms with my own fears showed me how valuable it was in studying the art of horary in combinations with modern and traditional techniques to begin to understand where we are coming from and to where we are going.  This has given me the input and impetus to buckle down and memorize the basics of traditional horary astrology and to combine it with our modern methods to make astrology vital and alive in the twenty first century as it was in ages past.    


“Horary Astrology – Does one need a yes outcome?”


While I consider myself a professional astrologer, I feel as most astrologers do that we are eternal students, continually learning and growing, in all the different areas of our expertise.  Horary astrology is that kind of study that no matter how long you have studied, you realize there is more to learn down the road.  John Frawley is one of the many traditional astrologers around whom I would love to emulate, has taken the traditional horary studies and has made it understandable to his students, and through his books, the public.  I am on several horary yahoo groups, and I can’t tell you what a learning experience it is, and even though you think you have learnt everything, something new and exciting, always pops up.


I have noticed that although some of the questions asked have a definite yes or no answer, there always is a story behind the story.   Since the question being asked is always very important to the querent, the person is always anxious to hear the final outcome, and usually doesn’t hear the narrative.  Sad to say, but I feel if we had paid more attention to the plot and not the answer, our decisions may be different and our delineation to the question, more in tune to what the person really wants to know.  As an example of this, a person asked if the ex-partner would be at their children’s important family gathering.  In delineating the chart the reasons where quite clear why the person wouldn’t be there but the event would turn out well, if not fabulous.  As it happens I think the real question, was the outcome of the party and the people involved, not the ex.


I think it is quite similar with questions for a new job.  The description of the job and its relationship to the querent are more important then the outcome.  What would happen if it showed the individual was up f0r the job, but there seemed to be a question whether the person actually wanted this particular situation?  Or what if it shows complications to the job and it would delay the hiring until a later date.  The question then would be if the person would wait for said position, or take another one that is offered.  The background always seems to give a clearer view of what is happening at the moment, and if we can break away from the emotional involvement with the question, we might see clearer what our decision should be.



 My advice to anyone having a horary question delineated is to listen to everything being said, since a no to your question may be the right direction the Universe has for your future.  A no will lead you to other paths that may lead to greater opportunities then expected.  The narrative will always give you clues to your question, if one will look for them.  There are modern and traditional horary astrologers available for consultation, but one must choose wisely.  Remember that even knowing the outcome of the future, the future is still in our hands, and that the final choice is always ours.



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